(Malaysian Mirror) - Dr Mahathir Mohamad said today that the opportunity given to more bumiputras to enter public universities should not be disputed as a racist act which prioritises one race at the expense of others.
The former prime minister said the move was to ensure a balanced racial development so that the bumiputras were not left behind in mainstream education, which could have negative repercussions.
Seeking a balance
He said that at the private institutions of higher learning, which now numbered nearly the same as the public institutions of higher learning, the bumiputra enrolment was very small, only in the region of 10%, while the rest was made up of the other races because many bumiputras could not afford the fees.
"If we conduct a census of the number of students in the government and private universities, there are more non-bumiputra students. That's why we give attention and more places to bumiputras," he said in his keynote address, entitled "UUM 25 Years Expectation vs Reality", at the Universiti Utara Malaysia (UUM) Alumni Convention 2009 here.
"So we should not feel guilty (just) because we have places for the bumiputras. We have a right to attain a position that is on par in this country. We want reasonable rights," he said.
You can't call it racism, says Dr M
Dr Mahathir said the affirmative policy under the New Economic Policy to bring the bumiputras into the country's mainstream development in various fields, including education, was not something extreme because although bumiputras made up about 60% of the population, the set quota was only 30%.
"This is not racism...we only ask for half of what we should be demanding. This shows that we are not racist...in fact to get 30% is not easy."
If there was no balance, those left behind would feel hatred and jealousy and might act irrationally, and this was what the country wanted to avoid, he was quoted by Bernama as saying.
He added that the extra attention and opportunities given to the bumiputras did not mean that the other races were sidelined.
He also said that it was important for the bumiputras to have the knowledge in running a business because many of them did not use the money as capital or to invest but to shop.
"We must change the bumiputra mindset. The money will bring returns when invested and this can enhance their wealth. Normally, they spend when they have money...often more than the money available and this causes problems."
Advice to set up university town
On UUM, Dr Mahathir said the aspiration of its establishment had been achieved as was evident from the success in producing bumiputra graduates as well of graduates of other races in management but it was still not enough.
"The UUM's future still hinges on efforts in capacity building, especially for the bumiputras, in business," he said.
He said students in management finance and accounting must be taught to have the right mindset, strong resilience as well as other traits to be successful in business and other fields.
Dr Mahathir also hoped that one day there would be a university town in Sintok, where the UUM is located, like the university towns in Cambridge and Oxford.
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written by anon, December 12, 2009 22:47:40
Dr Mahathir Mohamad said today that the opportunity given to more bumiputras to enter public universities should not be disputed as a racist act which prioritises one race at the expense of others.
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I am beginning to believe what Anwar said about this Maha sh*t - he must be getting too old and all the ops are now making him senile.
What do you call a University that takes in 'bumiputra' students, the majority of whom who do not meet the minimum qualification? Then their marks are pushed - literally speaking - and they pass and graduate.
Why the quota system in the first place?
If these 'bumis' do qualify and have no money then help them by all means. But to just haul them all and make them all doctors and engineers and lawyers - who believe English Language only exists in countries like England, U.S and Australia - is somwhat pathetic - depriving the non-bumis of a place in the University.
That is not racism?
If they are given all the incentives and motivation and they still do not make it, why do you have to herd them all in Universities? Just to fulfill that NEP crap? To strike a balance?
The Malays who made it meritoriously deserve to be helped but certainly not the others who just want to sit on a fancy chair in a lounge suit as a Director of a company with a voluptuous secretary - and play golf.
Yes, open up two more Universities that are on par with Oxford and Cambridge and herd all the cow-head protestors inside these two Universities - the same sh*itheads who stepped on the photographs of opposition party members.
Listen Mahamutt, I know of 'bumi' students ( more tahn 55% ) who failed and were pushed to pass and graduated - what do you call that?
...and the more-than-qualified non-bumis were deprived of a place in the University.
.... a racist act which prioritises one race at the expense of others.
That is not Racism?
You have UiTM with about 36,000 students - 'bumiputras' - a lot of whom keep changing courses - starting with the Law faculty then finding it confusing and switching to other easier courses.
RACISM: The belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as that of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races.
Now tell me if what I said is not racism.
written by anon, December 13, 2009 02:25:55
Listen MahaMutt,
Forgot to mention this - I am sure we all have friends and family whose results are well above the minimum qualification - but yet cannot seem to get a place into local Universities. Why is that so? There are Universities blooming everywhere and yet there are no places for these students with excellent results.
That is not Racism?
Are these places reserved for the non-qualified 'bumi'?
Don't try to shit us with your garbage - many of these 'bumis' do not deserve to be in any University.
Let us get something very clear here - I am not against helping a bumi who deserves to be in a University and needs financial aid. Help him/her by all means. That is your duty.
I speak through experience when I say there are 'bumis' - scores of them who do not belong in a University - I have seen their results. In the 80s - a 'bumi' ( good friend of mine ) got in with ONE "A" - in Agama in his Form Six. Then he was sent to England to do his Master's Degree. He failed and did it again - tax-payers money of course. He finally made it.
Then he was sent - against his wishes - to get his PhD. You can guess if he obtained it or not. This is not a 'bumi' who is poor.
That is just one example. There are many.
The Matriculation program was created for the 'bumis' - one or two Sarawakians and Sabahans. Yes, a handful of these 'bumis' are good and made good but the rest should never had been given the chance to enter the University and follow the program - their English Language was atrocious and these were future Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers, Architects, Pharmacologists, Biologists, Chemists, Physicists - all in the field of Science. Of course the majority wanted to be Doctors .... and guess what - some already are and some will be.
Some are doctors in local Universities and others went to Sungai Petani. The good ones went abroad on scholarships - mostly to Ireland.
And the non-bumis with excellent results are struggling to get into a local University - a big number of them cannot get in because they are not qualified! So what is the qualification for the non-bumi?
That is not Racism?
You damn hypocritical racist bigot. Keep that garbage that spills out of your filthy mouth to yourself.
One MahaMutt followed by another MahaShit-yuddin. When can we expect the next Maha-moron? Won't be long.
Damn fascist started all this Racist policy with your so-called Malay Dilemma and your NEP. Stay retired you damn racist. Do not get involved in this education system that you made a mess of.
Why don't you go see these 'bumi' doctors the next time you go for your check-up? They are your by-products.
If you are as genuine as your rhetoric, I challenge you to have a young 'bumi' doctor as your family doctor.... for you, your children and their children.
"....a balanced racial development so that the bumiputras were not left behind in mainstream education",
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The majority of the 'bumiputras' are simply not interested so how can you have a 'balanced' racial development? They just want to sit around the grounds of the Twin Towers and enjoy the romantic atmosphere.
" which could have negative repercussions".
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This to me sounds like yet another threat from a former PM of a racial riot.
"many bumiputras could not afford the fees".
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More qualified non-bumis cannot afford the money - and who is to help them?
"If we conduct a census of the number of students in the government and private universities, there are more non-bumiputra students".
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Why don't you conduct a census of who has to work harder and who produces better results - the bumis or the non-bumis?
"We want reasonable rights,"
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What IS your reasonable rights? That the bumi who does not meet the minimum qualification be allowed to enter a University? That to you is .... reasonable?
"affirmative policy under the New Economic Policy"
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A 'yes' plan for all bumis to enter a University minus the merit - just to bridge the gap - that is the "affirmative policy" under the NEP!
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"we only ask for half of what we should be demanding".
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Only half. How thoughtful. It does not matter if you cannot find that half. Just take a handful of the rempits and you will make that half.
And .... should be demanding? Demand for what? For mutts to get into a University? They are making more money in illegal racing on the streets and enjoying it ( with their girls as pillions ).
"the extra attention and opportunities given to the bumiputras did not mean that the other races were sidelined".
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This extra push given to those who do not deserve it has definitely sidelined the other races - and you know that this is a fact.
"We must change the bumiputra mindset".
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Finally you have said something that is true - but you also know very well that to do this is wishful thinking.
The mindset of most bumis is already set - by them - and you, even as the former PM for 22 years, failed to change that with your racist policies.
....you can take the man/woman out of the kampong but you cannot take the kampong out of the man/woman....
The only good Malay is the one who has emerged from the hard-core kampong shell and has seen democracy.
....anon
So the next best thing is to herd them all into a newly opened top-notch Universities and pass them all and expect them to have built-in business acumen and take over the economy of the country.
I guess these are the 'hopefuls' who have impressed you and have initiated you to build two more Universities - on par with Oxford and Cambridge.
LONDON: An international medical university will be built in Perak next year in collaboration with several leading universities, mainly from India, Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Dr Zambry Abdul Kadir said yesterday.
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Qualifications: For 'bumis' only - good paper qualification is an asset but not compulsory.
Hey doc, you may get your wish.
Allow me to remind you of what Racism is: The belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as that of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races.
Monday, December 14, 2009
Thursday, December 3, 2009
Utusan Malaysia has spoken: stand by for another May 13
Bayangkan apa akan berlaku jika orang Melayu bangkit dan bertindak memijak pula gambar atau poster pemimpin-pemimpin Cina di negara ini. Tidak mustahil peristiwa berdarah 13 Mei yang menjadi sejarah hitam negara akan berulang (Utusan Malaysia).
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
This is the gist of what Utusan Malaysia wrote today:
The action of some DAP leaders of stepping on the photographs of the three Perak turncoats tantamount to Chinese stepping on Malays.
Two of the three PKR state assemblypersons are Malays -- so this means the Chinese stepped on Malay photographs.
Imagine if the Malays also step on the photographs of Chinese leaders. It would not be impossible for another ‘May 13’ to be triggered.
PAS and PKR are tools of the Chinese. DAP is very clever at using others, in particular Malays. DAP has been stepping on the Malays for far too long.
And so on and so forth. The full article can be read below. (You can also read 'Stepping on the DAP' by The Nut Graph here: http://www.thenutgraph.com/stepping-on-dap).
According to Utusan Malaysia, this is about Chinese versus Malays. This is about the Chinese insulting the Malays. This is about the Chinese stepping on the Malays. This is about the Chinese pushing the Malays too far. This is about if the Chinese continue testing the patience of the Malays do not be surprised if another race riot the likes of May 13 erupts.
That, basically, according to Utusan Malaysia, is what it is all about -- the Chinese spoiling for a fight which if they are not careful they will get.
But that is not what tickles me here. Do you know what tickles me? What tickles me is the Chinese telling me that Najib is saying all the right things and that Barisan Nasional will probably gain back its two-thirds majority in Parliament plus all the states it lost in the March 2008 general election.
What more can I say other than the Chinese deserve this and I hope Utusan Malaysia continues fanning the sentiments of the Malays with talk about another race riot a la May 13. Maybe this is the only thing that can knock some sense into the Chinese when a race riot really erupts and a couple of thousand of Chinese dead bodies are bulldozed into mass graves like once upon a time.
Sheesh! I really don’t want to talk more in case I begin to say something I might regret later.
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written by anon, December 03, 2009 15:41:06
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
This is the gist of what Utusan Malaysia wrote today:
The action of some DAP leaders of stepping on the photographs of the three Perak turncoats tantamount to Chinese stepping on Malays.
Two of the three PKR state assemblypersons are Malays -- so this means the Chinese stepped on Malay photographs.
Imagine if the Malays also step on the photographs of Chinese leaders. It would not be impossible for another ‘May 13’ to be triggered.
PAS and PKR are tools of the Chinese. DAP is very clever at using others, in particular Malays. DAP has been stepping on the Malays for far too long.
And so on and so forth. The full article can be read below. (You can also read 'Stepping on the DAP' by The Nut Graph here: http://www.thenutgraph.com/stepping-on-dap).
According to Utusan Malaysia, this is about Chinese versus Malays. This is about the Chinese insulting the Malays. This is about the Chinese stepping on the Malays. This is about the Chinese pushing the Malays too far. This is about if the Chinese continue testing the patience of the Malays do not be surprised if another race riot the likes of May 13 erupts.
That, basically, according to Utusan Malaysia, is what it is all about -- the Chinese spoiling for a fight which if they are not careful they will get.
But that is not what tickles me here. Do you know what tickles me? What tickles me is the Chinese telling me that Najib is saying all the right things and that Barisan Nasional will probably gain back its two-thirds majority in Parliament plus all the states it lost in the March 2008 general election.
What more can I say other than the Chinese deserve this and I hope Utusan Malaysia continues fanning the sentiments of the Malays with talk about another race riot a la May 13. Maybe this is the only thing that can knock some sense into the Chinese when a race riot really erupts and a couple of thousand of Chinese dead bodies are bulldozed into mass graves like once upon a time.
Sheesh! I really don’t want to talk more in case I begin to say something I might regret later.
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written by anon, December 03, 2009 15:41:06
It's rather silly.... all this stepping on photos and cows and all.... and turning all this into a racial issue. More than that, now, a threat of May 13 II.
It is pointless saying.... 'bring it on'. That's a typical gung-ho attitude. It will not solve anything. On the contrary, it will only make matters worse. The liberal Malays will certainly be offended by that bumptious remark.
When you say, 'bring it on' - that 'it' includes the army. 'We will take you on'. Are you willing to take on an army? Your forefathers were slaughtered in 1969. 'Bring it on' spells arrogance and ignorance.
Were you there during the May 13 1969? I was. I would never like to see it repeated. It was a nightmare I do not wish to relive. It is sad, to say the least. We do not want our children to see a May 13 II. It will be something they will never forget - if they live to see it through - and that will be never forgotten - and it will be harboured in them. What next? Revenge?
The Malays, this time, will be united as one - even the thinking Malays will challenge the 'bring it on' mentality. The Indians and Chinese will, this time, be literally stepped on and ordered out of the country. It is a foreseeable possibility. If not that, then the they will be as good as slaves and this time, there is nothing they can do about it. Not even Malaysia - Today will be able to bring us all back together again.
Allow me to add a fact. The empty-headed Indians should never had gotten involved and fought the Malays. It was in essence, a bloody battle between the Malays and the Chinese. The Indians were merely pawns and they foolishly allowed themselves to be manipulated.
Had they not gotten involved in the blood bath, the Indians would have been politically within the matrix of the local community. I am not saying that the Indians should not have fought for their rights - all I am saying is this - they should never have fallen prey to others who wanted the booty for themselves.
Sure, it will make headlines in CNN, Al Jazeera, BBC World news - but what will be the repurcussions?
Do you sincerely believe that America and Britain.... or even China, will move in to save you?
Let us forget the past and move on for a brighter future. Let us fight for a better future. We are making progress. albeit gradually. Let us not digress from this. Let us focus on National Unity. We are Malaysians. This is Malaysia not 1Malaysia.
I would dare say, the majority of the Malays also had enough of all this racial bigotry. They too are agrieved. We can, work alongside and make this country a better place for all to live in.
There are Malays who are sidelined too.
This is what I mean when we have morons at the helm.
The cow-head march was a prelude to what could happen, at least what those who were involved were trying to suggest and that includes the keris-waving moronic minister who condoned the despicable act.
Now, yet another asinine malay female who took matters into her own hands has given an ultimatum to the non-Malays what will happen if anyone challenges a slithering (racist) Malay like her.
Now I have to stress that these are the ignorant, bloodthirsty racist Malays aka UMNO and its followers.
The important question is....what is the ruling party doing about all this? Not doing anything about a racist female moron and a newspaper that provokes the sentiments of the Malays means the party is condoning it and is issuing a threat to all Malaysians.
That female is a threat - what she wrote was clearly seditious but there is no sign of the ISA. The paper should be banned and the editor held for sedition.
Is this a country in which anyone (save the UMNOputras) wish to live in?
Is this a place where we can all, as Malaysians, walk freely, without fear of being slaughtered - or seeing animals being slaughtered in public places?
Tension is in the air and this is precisely what some quarters want and need.
Tension is in the air and this is precisely what some quarters want and need.
Is this a country where racial tension governs ( the movement of ) the people?
Or is this a country where racial and religious bigotry will always be?
So this is the same country that has been given a new name - 1Malaysia.
Tuesday, November 24, 2009
Linguistic 'cultured' deputy
(AFP) - Malaysia's deputy education minister has said that speaking English in the workplace is "weird" and harmful to the nation's culture and identity, a report said Wednesday.
Mohd Puad Zarkashi said employees in the private sector used English 99 percent of the time and should switch to Bahasa Malaysia in order to show pride in the national language, the New Straits Times reported.
"This also occurs in government-linked companies where we have this weird culture of people speaking to each other in English instead of the national language," he said at the launch of a linguistics seminar.
"We are polluting our own culture and identity as a nation," he said.
"It would be difficult to strengthen the position of Bahasa Malaysia if this culture continued," he added, urging Malaysians to emulate the French, Japanese and Koreans, who stuck to their own language.
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So speaking English is ‘weird’ for this moron. It is weird for only the weirdos.
It is harmful to the nation’s culture and identity he says.
So tell me, what is our culture and what does it represent? Do we have a culture in the first place? We do have a corrupt culture that every Malaysian is aware of.
So how can we pollute our own culture if we do not have one? Puad, we have to ‘switch’ to our Bahasa Malaysia to show pride in the National language? That is what some may say, talking cock.
For a long time, the older generation went to English medium schools and these people are highly successful – that includes the Malays. Then came the switch to BM being the medium of instruction and we sank into an abyss. For a year the Malays were riding high. Then a few years passed and the non-Malays became fluent in BM – perhaps even more fluent than the Malays.
After that, a small switch back to English – Math and Science – to keep up with the rest of the world. We were in the struggling stages but making some progress. Progress comes with time.
Now we have regressed – Math and Science to be taught in BM again. Just when the Malays were making some headway they are pushed back into the stone age.
Is that the culture you are talking about? Why did you not do anything about the bohsia culture?
Then we had the ‘kutu’ culture. Now, you are bringing them all back and making them ‘our’ culture.
You do not have to go very far to see frisky young suppressed Malay girls openly demonstrating their promiscuity – with ‘tudungs’ on mind you. That is a ‘munafiq’ culture.
People like you, with a myopic knowledge of the word ‘culture’ go around preaching garbage. Are you trying to create a subculture?
In any case, are you talking about a Malaysian culture or a Malay culture? You mentioned…’our’ culture. So which is it?
The Malay ‘culture’ is largely derived from the Indian culture. Everyone knows that. Your bersanding ( marriage ceremony ), the clothes you wear, the language, from your songkok to your sepatu, your baju melayu, baju kurung, ghazal …just to mention a few – all these are borrowed from India. Iskandar Shah aka Parameswara brought all these with him in 1403. The Malay Sultanate was based on the Indian sultans, maharajas and maharanis who Indira Ghandi got rid of simply because it was a sheer waste of the tax-payers money.
Sultan is an Indian word. Doa is an Indian word. All the words mentioned above originated in the India. Other ‘Malay’ words are borrowed from the English Language.
English words are ubiquitous in the ‘Malay’ Language – just insert affixes to make them all ‘Malay’ words. Then you will popularkan the 'Malay' language.
So why do you have English words in your language when you do not wish to have anything to do with that language?
Text messages to be in Malay? You have a tiny mind Zarkashi. A mind like yours is dangerous. You are a menace to the progress of your own kind. You are totally clueless and are in dire need of guidance.
But sek (sex) in any language spells the same. Sammy urges not to hisap dada. Now, that is one guy who needs to learn BM. You spew venom and mock the language that has helped the people who walk through the Corridors of Power and others like yourself who after having the rudiments of the language, do not wish to educate your own kind for fear of them being able to have a debate with you in the English Language.
You want to emulate the French, Japanese and the Koreans? Have you forgotten that these countries are industrialized? Malaysia is just about waking up and we need the English Language to progress and achieve industrialization – in perhaps 50 years. By that time the others would be 50 years ahead of us.
It is clear that you were not paying attention during History lessons. Either that or you had a moron like you for a teacher.
How on earth can you emulate these countries? You are spewing garbage. These countries are too far ahead for Malaysia to catch up with them. To emulate them would be courting with disaster. Let us progress at our own pace. What is wrong using English for the betterment of the country?
When we have ‘emulated’ what France, Japan and Korea, then perhaps we could place more importance on BM.
For the moment, we need the English Language for obvious reasons unknown to ignorant people like you.
So now we know all about delays when we write to people who hold the same policy as you – you just do not seem to comprehend the English Language – a Universal Language – and simply send the letters back to senders.
Government schools are far behind the Private schools who use English as the medium of instruction.
You seem to have a warped sense of logic – worse than Nik Aziz. Imagine you being the PM of the country!
With you at the helm, every citizen is doomed – the Malays, Chinese, Indians, Kadazans, Dayaks and all others. The country will inexorably be alienated from the rest of the world and will never be able to recover from your policies and the manner in which you think (?), like the interpretations of the wahabbis.
I am not in the least surprised that we have people like you serving as Deputy Ministers. So what else is new?
Even the kampong folks know how important the English Language is. This I say from personal experience and from teaching English Language in a kampong for one year. So where did you come from?
A weird culture spoken by people in this country - English Language!
Every once in while, there will surface a dullard like you with barmy ideas about what is good for this country.
Any right-thinking person will surely know that if an individual or a country wishes to progress .... be proficient in the English Language.
Bring back the old system - English as the medium of instruction in all schools - then we will progress.
Mohd Puad Zarkashi said employees in the private sector used English 99 percent of the time and should switch to Bahasa Malaysia in order to show pride in the national language, the New Straits Times reported.
"This also occurs in government-linked companies where we have this weird culture of people speaking to each other in English instead of the national language," he said at the launch of a linguistics seminar.
"We are polluting our own culture and identity as a nation," he said.
"It would be difficult to strengthen the position of Bahasa Malaysia if this culture continued," he added, urging Malaysians to emulate the French, Japanese and Koreans, who stuck to their own language.
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So speaking English is ‘weird’ for this moron. It is weird for only the weirdos.
It is harmful to the nation’s culture and identity he says.
So tell me, what is our culture and what does it represent? Do we have a culture in the first place? We do have a corrupt culture that every Malaysian is aware of.
So how can we pollute our own culture if we do not have one? Puad, we have to ‘switch’ to our Bahasa Malaysia to show pride in the National language? That is what some may say, talking cock.
For a long time, the older generation went to English medium schools and these people are highly successful – that includes the Malays. Then came the switch to BM being the medium of instruction and we sank into an abyss. For a year the Malays were riding high. Then a few years passed and the non-Malays became fluent in BM – perhaps even more fluent than the Malays.
After that, a small switch back to English – Math and Science – to keep up with the rest of the world. We were in the struggling stages but making some progress. Progress comes with time.
Now we have regressed – Math and Science to be taught in BM again. Just when the Malays were making some headway they are pushed back into the stone age.
Is that the culture you are talking about? Why did you not do anything about the bohsia culture?
Then we had the ‘kutu’ culture. Now, you are bringing them all back and making them ‘our’ culture.
You do not have to go very far to see frisky young suppressed Malay girls openly demonstrating their promiscuity – with ‘tudungs’ on mind you. That is a ‘munafiq’ culture.
People like you, with a myopic knowledge of the word ‘culture’ go around preaching garbage. Are you trying to create a subculture?
In any case, are you talking about a Malaysian culture or a Malay culture? You mentioned…’our’ culture. So which is it?
The Malay ‘culture’ is largely derived from the Indian culture. Everyone knows that. Your bersanding ( marriage ceremony ), the clothes you wear, the language, from your songkok to your sepatu, your baju melayu, baju kurung, ghazal …just to mention a few – all these are borrowed from India. Iskandar Shah aka Parameswara brought all these with him in 1403. The Malay Sultanate was based on the Indian sultans, maharajas and maharanis who Indira Ghandi got rid of simply because it was a sheer waste of the tax-payers money.
Sultan is an Indian word. Doa is an Indian word. All the words mentioned above originated in the India. Other ‘Malay’ words are borrowed from the English Language.
English words are ubiquitous in the ‘Malay’ Language – just insert affixes to make them all ‘Malay’ words. Then you will popularkan the 'Malay' language.
So why do you have English words in your language when you do not wish to have anything to do with that language?
Text messages to be in Malay? You have a tiny mind Zarkashi. A mind like yours is dangerous. You are a menace to the progress of your own kind. You are totally clueless and are in dire need of guidance.
But sek (sex) in any language spells the same. Sammy urges not to hisap dada. Now, that is one guy who needs to learn BM. You spew venom and mock the language that has helped the people who walk through the Corridors of Power and others like yourself who after having the rudiments of the language, do not wish to educate your own kind for fear of them being able to have a debate with you in the English Language.
You want to emulate the French, Japanese and the Koreans? Have you forgotten that these countries are industrialized? Malaysia is just about waking up and we need the English Language to progress and achieve industrialization – in perhaps 50 years. By that time the others would be 50 years ahead of us.
It is clear that you were not paying attention during History lessons. Either that or you had a moron like you for a teacher.
How on earth can you emulate these countries? You are spewing garbage. These countries are too far ahead for Malaysia to catch up with them. To emulate them would be courting with disaster. Let us progress at our own pace. What is wrong using English for the betterment of the country?
When we have ‘emulated’ what France, Japan and Korea, then perhaps we could place more importance on BM.
For the moment, we need the English Language for obvious reasons unknown to ignorant people like you.
So now we know all about delays when we write to people who hold the same policy as you – you just do not seem to comprehend the English Language – a Universal Language – and simply send the letters back to senders.
Government schools are far behind the Private schools who use English as the medium of instruction.
You seem to have a warped sense of logic – worse than Nik Aziz. Imagine you being the PM of the country!
With you at the helm, every citizen is doomed – the Malays, Chinese, Indians, Kadazans, Dayaks and all others. The country will inexorably be alienated from the rest of the world and will never be able to recover from your policies and the manner in which you think (?), like the interpretations of the wahabbis.
I am not in the least surprised that we have people like you serving as Deputy Ministers. So what else is new?
Even the kampong folks know how important the English Language is. This I say from personal experience and from teaching English Language in a kampong for one year. So where did you come from?
A weird culture spoken by people in this country - English Language!
Every once in while, there will surface a dullard like you with barmy ideas about what is good for this country.
Any right-thinking person will surely know that if an individual or a country wishes to progress .... be proficient in the English Language.
Bring back the old system - English as the medium of instruction in all schools - then we will progress.
Sunday, November 22, 2009
Wealthy Malays are always right - A Tale of Two Cities
When shall we meet again? In thunder lightning or in rain?
Witches beget bitches and Bitches beget Witches.
The poor Malays had better shut their mouths. And if the poor Malays have to shut their mouths, the non-Malays have no say, so get out of this ‘Malay’ land or bend over backwards and keep on apologizing to these rich pricks and prudes.
You cannot teach them the difference between right and wrong and you cannot tell them that they lack the religious knowledge. You cannot reason with them and logic is a foreign word simply because these Malays believe they are above the law. They do not wish to listen to you - you are nothing but a kafir.
There was an incident lately. This wealthy Malay ( not Muslim ), who asserted her garbage and did not wish to listen to reason and logic. Imagine her vicious anger and rambling - and she talks about Islam in the same sentence!
Does Islam condone vicious verbal attacks on the elderly and educators? This toxic Malay believes so and by demonstrating her diabolical infantile behavior, she exposed herself to the fact that she was going against the very essence of the true Islamic teaching and not the wahabbi version she expounded.
An egomania on an ego trip. This cock-of-the-walk was walking tall and riding high. People like this will fall hard. She is the quintessential ungrateful Malay moron. In her case, ignorance is bliss and money is everything.
The problem lies in the fact that they seem to forget that their forefathers were kampong folks and kampong folks regarded teachers as demigods.
Then they make themselves visible in the big city and shed their kampong values and become rotten to the core. How they got rich remains a mystery. But they are rich and that is all that matters.
To them, only 'Muslims' know about Islam and a 'kafir' does not know anything about their religion. And if you talk to them about it, they either cry in shame or fume and attack you like a raging bull, not realizing that they are exposing their ignorance of their religion.
I was always brought up to respect my mother, father and my teachers. When I see my old teacher ( TTC trained ), I still address him as 'Sir'. I am more qualified than him so why should I call him so? Because he was my teacher.
To these morons who are deluded into believing they are wealthy and so they qualify to disrespect anyone, this is what I have to tell them ... go back to your kampong and you might just learn something positive, like showing respect for a teacher. You seem to conveniently forget that you are an off-spring of a kampong society ... which reminds me of something else - you can take the man out of the kampong but you cannot take the kampong out of the man.... or woman – in this case. Normally, kampong folks are a simple lot….normally.
These arrogant bigots are loosed upon the world, especially so in this country. They also set an example to their kids that they can get away with being disrespectful and hence the vicious cycle. Their children are by-products of their egotism.
Their children are sent abroad or to private schools and they believe they have fulfilled their parental obligation. They are totally ignorant of their own religion and pass that ignorance onto their children. Ah, but their children attend agama schools ( or is it lessons? ) and believe that they know it all.
You teach their children how to think for themselves and strive hard to educate them and successfully manage to make them mix with others. That much you can do. You make them sociable and bring them out of their cocoon but it's up to them who they mix with.
Sometimes you wonder if it is all worth your effort. Teaching spoilt brats is no easy task.
When I was 16, I mingled freely and I had good friends - Malays, Chinese and Indians. We always respected teachers, even if we disliked them and would never dare to complain to our parents about them.
Most kids today are a pampered lot. Some will say....spoilt brats. Though some, surprisingly, include 16 year olds too who will agree with you when you say that most kids are indeed pampered and spoilt. These are the ones who have matured and are independent - not holding on to their mothers' apron strings....like the spoilt brats. These are the ones who think for themselves. Strangely these are the Indians and Chinese. There could be some Malays too - none I have encountered yet. Well, they are 16-year-olds after all and one cannot expect these kids to think like mature adults. Heck, even some adults have this myopic view of their own religion.
These brats will never be able to stand their ground in a foreign land. They would never be able to walk in a mall without their body guards. They will need to take along the strings attached to their mothers' apron when they go abroad. They cannot see beyond their highfalutin noses.
I am not making a general statement. I am merely stating my personal experience. People like these are ubiquitous.
I am somewhat bewildered that the educated Indonesian is magnanimous. He does not have his nose pointing to the sky and he does not spew venom like the local parochial wealthy Malay schmucks who wear blinkers.
Some of these Malays wear the ‘tudung’ ( a headscarf ) and give you the middle finger when they pass you by in their fancy cars. Believe me, this is a fact and I write all this through experience.
Others without a headscarf try hard to look good but what is the point of trying to look good when you are rotten to the core inside? I saw the heavy make-up on that face of fury.
No amount of modern make-up can mask the evil on this particular amoral female's face. Her condescension knows no limits. So, can money buy everything?
So what has become of these Malays who once belonged to a polite and caring society?
They moved – away from the placid kampong ambiance into the fast track world of arrogance, polygamy, corruption, egotism and bigotry. And now they bask in this atmosphere. But for how long? They too will have to answer to their Creator.
I wonder what their defense will be. Apologize? Beg for forgiveness?
These are the corrosive misled ‘Muslims’ who give their counterparts a nasty name.
I detest such hypocritical people. They represent the evil that the society does not need and should be ostracized by all races.
This country has no place for such ‘elite’ egotists who serve to only pollute the country with their feral minds.
These are the very people we are trying very hard to jettison. The people who walk through the Corridors of Power are not alone – there are similar people who walk outside the Corridors of Power and these are insidious people are probably more dangerous to the Rakyat.
Any resemblence to person or persons is purely coincidental.
P/S Then you have people like RPK and someone else I know who puts on this facade that he is fighting for a change....a CEO....more than that....a megalomaniac. That story will be published soon.
There is still hope.
Witches beget bitches and Bitches beget Witches.
The poor Malays had better shut their mouths. And if the poor Malays have to shut their mouths, the non-Malays have no say, so get out of this ‘Malay’ land or bend over backwards and keep on apologizing to these rich pricks and prudes.
You cannot teach them the difference between right and wrong and you cannot tell them that they lack the religious knowledge. You cannot reason with them and logic is a foreign word simply because these Malays believe they are above the law. They do not wish to listen to you - you are nothing but a kafir.
There was an incident lately. This wealthy Malay ( not Muslim ), who asserted her garbage and did not wish to listen to reason and logic. Imagine her vicious anger and rambling - and she talks about Islam in the same sentence!
Does Islam condone vicious verbal attacks on the elderly and educators? This toxic Malay believes so and by demonstrating her diabolical infantile behavior, she exposed herself to the fact that she was going against the very essence of the true Islamic teaching and not the wahabbi version she expounded.
An egomania on an ego trip. This cock-of-the-walk was walking tall and riding high. People like this will fall hard. She is the quintessential ungrateful Malay moron. In her case, ignorance is bliss and money is everything.
The problem lies in the fact that they seem to forget that their forefathers were kampong folks and kampong folks regarded teachers as demigods.
Then they make themselves visible in the big city and shed their kampong values and become rotten to the core. How they got rich remains a mystery. But they are rich and that is all that matters.
To them, only 'Muslims' know about Islam and a 'kafir' does not know anything about their religion. And if you talk to them about it, they either cry in shame or fume and attack you like a raging bull, not realizing that they are exposing their ignorance of their religion.
I was always brought up to respect my mother, father and my teachers. When I see my old teacher ( TTC trained ), I still address him as 'Sir'. I am more qualified than him so why should I call him so? Because he was my teacher.
To these morons who are deluded into believing they are wealthy and so they qualify to disrespect anyone, this is what I have to tell them ... go back to your kampong and you might just learn something positive, like showing respect for a teacher. You seem to conveniently forget that you are an off-spring of a kampong society ... which reminds me of something else - you can take the man out of the kampong but you cannot take the kampong out of the man.... or woman – in this case. Normally, kampong folks are a simple lot….normally.
These arrogant bigots are loosed upon the world, especially so in this country. They also set an example to their kids that they can get away with being disrespectful and hence the vicious cycle. Their children are by-products of their egotism.
Their children are sent abroad or to private schools and they believe they have fulfilled their parental obligation. They are totally ignorant of their own religion and pass that ignorance onto their children. Ah, but their children attend agama schools ( or is it lessons? ) and believe that they know it all.
You teach their children how to think for themselves and strive hard to educate them and successfully manage to make them mix with others. That much you can do. You make them sociable and bring them out of their cocoon but it's up to them who they mix with.
Sometimes you wonder if it is all worth your effort. Teaching spoilt brats is no easy task.
When I was 16, I mingled freely and I had good friends - Malays, Chinese and Indians. We always respected teachers, even if we disliked them and would never dare to complain to our parents about them.
Most kids today are a pampered lot. Some will say....spoilt brats. Though some, surprisingly, include 16 year olds too who will agree with you when you say that most kids are indeed pampered and spoilt. These are the ones who have matured and are independent - not holding on to their mothers' apron strings....like the spoilt brats. These are the ones who think for themselves. Strangely these are the Indians and Chinese. There could be some Malays too - none I have encountered yet. Well, they are 16-year-olds after all and one cannot expect these kids to think like mature adults. Heck, even some adults have this myopic view of their own religion.
These brats will never be able to stand their ground in a foreign land. They would never be able to walk in a mall without their body guards. They will need to take along the strings attached to their mothers' apron when they go abroad. They cannot see beyond their highfalutin noses.
I am not making a general statement. I am merely stating my personal experience. People like these are ubiquitous.
I am somewhat bewildered that the educated Indonesian is magnanimous. He does not have his nose pointing to the sky and he does not spew venom like the local parochial wealthy Malay schmucks who wear blinkers.
Some of these Malays wear the ‘tudung’ ( a headscarf ) and give you the middle finger when they pass you by in their fancy cars. Believe me, this is a fact and I write all this through experience.
Others without a headscarf try hard to look good but what is the point of trying to look good when you are rotten to the core inside? I saw the heavy make-up on that face of fury.
No amount of modern make-up can mask the evil on this particular amoral female's face. Her condescension knows no limits. So, can money buy everything?
So what has become of these Malays who once belonged to a polite and caring society?
They moved – away from the placid kampong ambiance into the fast track world of arrogance, polygamy, corruption, egotism and bigotry. And now they bask in this atmosphere. But for how long? They too will have to answer to their Creator.
I wonder what their defense will be. Apologize? Beg for forgiveness?
These are the corrosive misled ‘Muslims’ who give their counterparts a nasty name.
I detest such hypocritical people. They represent the evil that the society does not need and should be ostracized by all races.
This country has no place for such ‘elite’ egotists who serve to only pollute the country with their feral minds.
These are the very people we are trying very hard to jettison. The people who walk through the Corridors of Power are not alone – there are similar people who walk outside the Corridors of Power and these are insidious people are probably more dangerous to the Rakyat.
Any resemblence to person or persons is purely coincidental.
P/S Then you have people like RPK and someone else I know who puts on this facade that he is fighting for a change....a CEO....more than that....a megalomaniac. That story will be published soon.
There is still hope.
Monday, October 26, 2009
Brahmins and Others
Caste System divides the Hindu Indians.
"After a study of some forty years and more of the great religions of the world, I find none so perfect, none so scientific, none so philosophical and none so spiritual than the great religion known by the name of Hinduism."-Annie Wood Besant
"That which we call the Hindu religion is really the eternal religion because it embraces all others." - Sri Aurobindo
The Indian Caste System – The Varna and Jati Systems.
by anon
Some may say that the caste system kept some kind of strange ‘order’ and ‘peace’ among the people and it is in this caste system in which people are born, marry and die. These are ignorant people – no different from those who misinterpret the teachings of the Holy Books.
Scriptures are far too often altered and manipulated to perpetuate and justify the ignorance of these benighted interpreters.
I am in no way passing a sweeping statement but I have met many - too many - Hindu Indians who have no idea about the caste system and how it originated, yet they bask in the glory that they are 'Brahmins’ and are rather fatuously condescending.
Many of these narcissist are under the delusion that the Brahmins are the highest single breed among the Hindus - a fallacy that I urge all Hindu Indians to invalidate.
I have even spoken to Brahmins and to my amazement; they claim to be of the 'highest' caste simply because they are descendants of priests and teachers and denigrate other ‘castes’.
My grandmother mingled with the Maharani of Mysore, so that would, logically, spell my heritage as a descendant of a very high caste and noble family. But, I am, simply – a Hindu Indian - just like all other Hindu Indians.
The caste system is a very hierarchical organization in which every Hindu’s status is racially but clearly and indiscriminately defined.
I am a teacher so does that make me a Brahmin? Even if it does, I do not wish to be party to this draconian caste system.
By the same token, the priests in all the temples – are Brahmins by virtue of the fact that Brahmins are after all, teachers ( religious teachers or otherwise ) and priests ... and vegetarians.
This caste system had always been a prickly thorn and acts as a wedge amongst Hindus from all walks of life – even today…. in this age and in this country.
So to discuss it farther, we have the:
Brahmins - the priests and teachers.
Kshatriyas – the rulers, warriors and land owners.
Vaishyas – merchants.
Shudras – artisan and agriculturalists
… and the ones who were “outside” the caste system ….
Untouchables ( Harijans - Mahatma Gandhi called them – the Children of God ).
Mahatma Gandhi called the 'lowest' caste the Harijans or the Children of God simply because he wanted to educate the Indians who were deeply set in their warped beliefs of the Caste System.
This caste system is archaic and should be discarded as soon as possible. We are not living in The Stone Age.
Here is an interesting article that I came across.
Caste System is the biggest threat to Hinduism
by Jayaram V
In the Vedic age, the caste system was not very rigid since "there was no privileged order of priests." During this time the word vaishya denoted all the people in the region irrespective of their profession and lineage. There was a rudimentary form of caste system in which a person's caste depended not upon his birth but upon his profession as is evident from some of the hymns of the Rigveda (9.112.3).
Historians tend to quote many reasons for the emergence of caste system as a dominant social reality during the Vedic period. The social compulsions of that time must have contributed to its development. The most plausible and accepted theory is that probably caste system was found by the Vedic people as a convenient means to integrate a multiracial society into one complex system.
There is no doubt that in the later vedic age, in the name of religion, the caste system was most conveniently justified and to a brahmin father.
Secondly, thanks to the tradition of passing of the Vedic knowledge from one generation to another through oral means, there was enough scope for manipulation of the vedic mantras. As a result, some new verses were cleverly and deliberately incorporated into the early vedic scriptures to justify the system and ensure the supremacy of the higher castes.
Historians quote the purusha sukta of the Rigveda (10.90) as the earliest reference to the existence of caste system in vedic society. This verse must be definitely a latter day addition to the Rigveda, for otherwise in the scripture we do not find much obsession about caste. We have no doubt that the scripture might have been cleverly altered and manipulated so as to provide some religious justification for the perpetuation of the caste system.
This must have been equally true in case of the Bhagavad-Gita also, where we find references to the caste system peculiarly out of context. When we look at such verses in the context of the fact that Sri Vasudeva Krishna himself was neither a brahmin nor a kshatriya, but belonged to a pastoral community near the present day Mathura, we understand the truth.
The emergence of Manu smriti, sealed whatever chance there was for the caste system to remain plastic. One of the greatest books of social and religious laws ever written in the ancient history of man, this scripture elaborately dwelt upon each and every aspect of human conduct and religious life and through its unflinching emphasis on dharma and varna system firmly established the supremacy of the priestly class and their unquestionable right to perform all religious rites. Thus declares Manu smriti, "The very birth of a brahman is the eternal incarnation of dharma. For he is born for the sake of dharma and tends towards becoming one with Brahman..."
It is difficult to state how the caste system as it is known to us today took shape on the Indian soil, for today's caste system does not contain just the original four divisions but hundreds and thousands of castes and sub castes. The many foreign invasions and contact with new races and new tribes must have prompted the priestly class to change the laws here and there and admit new people into the system in various guises. The bactrian greeks, the barbarious huns, the sakas, the kushanas, and many others who came to India either as traders or as rulers, were somehow integrated into the system so smoothly that today we do not know into which castes these races merged finally.
Whatever be the truth, while the caste system helped the society to stabilize itself in the early stages, it considerably weakened the society by undermining its unity. Since the system was so unfair to the vast majority of the lower castes who had no privileges but only duties, it alienated them deeply from the rest of the society and made them apathetic and indifferent to the events of their times.
With no scope for their social advancement or economic independence, ever under bondage, and suffering from various kinds of social disabilities, they became the third or the fourth class citizens of hindu society, without any dignity of their own and with a status comparable to that of animals, as they were the 'once born' in contrast to the 'twice born'.
Therefore, for these unfortunate souls, it mattered little who came and who went, who won and who lost, who ruled them and who did not.
As long as they were obedient to the state laws and paid their taxes or did their duties sincerely, it mattered little who sat on the throne and what virtues or vices, or for that matter what religion, the king practiced or advocated. The kings were hardly benevolent or tolerant. Failure to pay taxes, when the state demanded, perhaps with a few exceptions here and there, meant instant death.
Reduced to penury and the lowest social status, oppressed by the political system in which they had no chance of participation, condemned by the religion which eluded them, they worshipped whatever their limited wisdom suggested, from the rivers to the trees, from the earth to the sky, from various spirits, ghosts and demons to the various village deities.
It is difficult to believe that Buddhism gave them any relief, since it was not a religion for the weak minded. It demanded inner purity and observation of the eightfold path which was difficult to practice even by the privileged sections.
The rulers in turn paid little attention to them. Perhaps in matters of state priorities they did not matter at all. Their welfare must have never bothered the rulers. In theory these people were already condemned by the inexorable laws of karma to lead miserable lives and suffer from the consequences of their previous bad actions.
Then how could and even why should a mortal king try to improve their lot? Preoccupied with their own problems of governance and survival, and perhaps palace intrigues and court politics, the rulers seldom ventured out into the rural areas to interact with these less privileged groups.
Though theoretically, the king was supposed to be concerned with the welfare of his subjects, with a few exceptions here and there, it is hard to believe that the kings of ancient India would have ever bothered to consider the lower castes of his kingdom as his important subjects.
What is strange is that many ancient rulers of India were neither Brahmins nor kshatriyas but came from lower castes. So was the case with many seers and saints. For example most of the rulers of the Magadh came from lower castes. But unfortunately none of them seemed to have worked for the upliftment of the lower castes. Having became converted to Buddhism, the Mauryan emperor Asoka, must have encouraged many to follow him. But we do not have any evidence to suggest that he was especially sympathetic to the cause of the lower castes or that he worked for their specific welfare.
Instances of oppression and cruelty against the downtrodden was also not entirely unknown. In times of war, the villages through which the army passed had to provide food, cattle and provisions to the marching army. This must have put considerable strain on their meager resources. The villagers were never trained in the art of warfare nor in the art of self-defense. So if the army lost the battle the masses had no option but to surrender meekly to the new ruler and pay their taxes.
It is true that it is difficult to generalize Hindu society on any particular issue since it consisted of diverse groups and communities even in ancient times. But we can confidently consider the caste system as the bane of Hindu society from the earliest times. It divided and weakened the society, alienated the people and exposed them to foreign invasions on a scale unprecedented in the history of the world.
In south India the position was slightly different. Here the caste system did not divide the society as sharply as it did in north India, which is one reason why the south remained relatively free from foreign invasions as well as invasions from the native rulers of the north. King Asoka barely managed south. Samudra Gupta led a successful expedition to the south and defeated some local rulers there, but did not achieve much beyond that. Harshavardhana was defeated and stopped by Pulakesin II on the banks of river Narmada.
In contrast to the rulers of the north who never tried to cross the frontiers and conquer the far away lands, the south Indian rulers were able to navigate across the oceans with the help of fishermen and sea farers, and establish new kingdoms in far away lands like Cambodia and Thailand.
The trend continued even during the Muslim or the Mughal rule. The south remained largely free from the Muslim rule. The Muslims did invade the southern provinces, except in a very limited way. Most of the famous temples of south India we know today escaped destruction in their hands. In strange contrast, some new temples were even built during their rule like the Sri Ram temple on the banks of river Godavari at Bhadrachalam in Andhrapradesh.
Must not Hindus learn something out of this experience of their past? If Hinduism has to survive as a major world religion and if Hindus want to stand out as exemplary beings on the global scene, the caste system must go. It must vanish in its present abominal form, with all its monstrous roots and manifestations.
The caste system is an evil, that has no divine sanction whatsoever. It is full of demonic vitality and diabolic intent and it is there only to create discard and destruction. The bane of Indian society for so long, it will continue to remain so unless it is uprooted and thrown out, with the strength of Bhima, without any apology, without rationalizing its justification in the past, and without exploiting it for ones political or economic gains.
The caste system must yield place to a new society that is based upon the principles of equality and fraternity, where the status of an individual is determined not on the basis of his caste, but on the basis of his achievements and his character. The Hindus must learn to treat each individual with dignity and self respect and learn from their Christian and Muslim friends a few things about charity and brotherhood.
It is not a curse to be born in poor circumstances or come from a not so distinguished family. Hinduism teaches that before a soul begins its new birth, it willingly and carefully selects the family and the environment in which it wants to take its new birth. If we accept this as true and if we understand the significance of why a soul wants to be born in a poor family, we will never look down upon any one as a low or inferior person. We will realize that hidden in that person is a soul that is trying to break free by creating the necessary circumstances that would enable it to achieve it.
If Hindus do not shed the caste system in its present form, they cannot blame others for the disunity and disharmony of their society and for the increasing popularity of other faiths among the less privileged castes. They cannot blame foreign hands, charitable institutions and Christian missionaries, for the alienation of these people. Every Hindu ought to remember that if there is one force that can destroy Hindu society either in part or in full or reduce them to a simple minority in their own country, it is neither nuclear weapons nor the foreign hands, but the stench of casteism.
"After a study of some forty years and more of the great religions of the world, I find none so perfect, none so scientific, none so philosophical and none so spiritual than the great religion known by the name of Hinduism."-Annie Wood Besant
"That which we call the Hindu religion is really the eternal religion because it embraces all others." - Sri Aurobindo
The Indian Caste System – The Varna and Jati Systems.
by anon
Some may say that the caste system kept some kind of strange ‘order’ and ‘peace’ among the people and it is in this caste system in which people are born, marry and die. These are ignorant people – no different from those who misinterpret the teachings of the Holy Books.
Scriptures are far too often altered and manipulated to perpetuate and justify the ignorance of these benighted interpreters.
I am in no way passing a sweeping statement but I have met many - too many - Hindu Indians who have no idea about the caste system and how it originated, yet they bask in the glory that they are 'Brahmins’ and are rather fatuously condescending.
Many of these narcissist are under the delusion that the Brahmins are the highest single breed among the Hindus - a fallacy that I urge all Hindu Indians to invalidate.
I have even spoken to Brahmins and to my amazement; they claim to be of the 'highest' caste simply because they are descendants of priests and teachers and denigrate other ‘castes’.
My grandmother mingled with the Maharani of Mysore, so that would, logically, spell my heritage as a descendant of a very high caste and noble family. But, I am, simply – a Hindu Indian - just like all other Hindu Indians.
The caste system is a very hierarchical organization in which every Hindu’s status is racially but clearly and indiscriminately defined.
I am a teacher so does that make me a Brahmin? Even if it does, I do not wish to be party to this draconian caste system.
By the same token, the priests in all the temples – are Brahmins by virtue of the fact that Brahmins are after all, teachers ( religious teachers or otherwise ) and priests ... and vegetarians.
This caste system had always been a prickly thorn and acts as a wedge amongst Hindus from all walks of life – even today…. in this age and in this country.
So to discuss it farther, we have the:
Brahmins - the priests and teachers.
Kshatriyas – the rulers, warriors and land owners.
Vaishyas – merchants.
Shudras – artisan and agriculturalists
… and the ones who were “outside” the caste system ….
Untouchables ( Harijans - Mahatma Gandhi called them – the Children of God ).
Mahatma Gandhi called the 'lowest' caste the Harijans or the Children of God simply because he wanted to educate the Indians who were deeply set in their warped beliefs of the Caste System.
This caste system is archaic and should be discarded as soon as possible. We are not living in The Stone Age.
Here is an interesting article that I came across.
Caste System is the biggest threat to Hinduism
by Jayaram V
In the Vedic age, the caste system was not very rigid since "there was no privileged order of priests." During this time the word vaishya denoted all the people in the region irrespective of their profession and lineage. There was a rudimentary form of caste system in which a person's caste depended not upon his birth but upon his profession as is evident from some of the hymns of the Rigveda (9.112.3).
Historians tend to quote many reasons for the emergence of caste system as a dominant social reality during the Vedic period. The social compulsions of that time must have contributed to its development. The most plausible and accepted theory is that probably caste system was found by the Vedic people as a convenient means to integrate a multiracial society into one complex system.
There is no doubt that in the later vedic age, in the name of religion, the caste system was most conveniently justified and to a brahmin father.
Secondly, thanks to the tradition of passing of the Vedic knowledge from one generation to another through oral means, there was enough scope for manipulation of the vedic mantras. As a result, some new verses were cleverly and deliberately incorporated into the early vedic scriptures to justify the system and ensure the supremacy of the higher castes.
Historians quote the purusha sukta of the Rigveda (10.90) as the earliest reference to the existence of caste system in vedic society. This verse must be definitely a latter day addition to the Rigveda, for otherwise in the scripture we do not find much obsession about caste. We have no doubt that the scripture might have been cleverly altered and manipulated so as to provide some religious justification for the perpetuation of the caste system.
This must have been equally true in case of the Bhagavad-Gita also, where we find references to the caste system peculiarly out of context. When we look at such verses in the context of the fact that Sri Vasudeva Krishna himself was neither a brahmin nor a kshatriya, but belonged to a pastoral community near the present day Mathura, we understand the truth.
The emergence of Manu smriti, sealed whatever chance there was for the caste system to remain plastic. One of the greatest books of social and religious laws ever written in the ancient history of man, this scripture elaborately dwelt upon each and every aspect of human conduct and religious life and through its unflinching emphasis on dharma and varna system firmly established the supremacy of the priestly class and their unquestionable right to perform all religious rites. Thus declares Manu smriti, "The very birth of a brahman is the eternal incarnation of dharma. For he is born for the sake of dharma and tends towards becoming one with Brahman..."
It is difficult to state how the caste system as it is known to us today took shape on the Indian soil, for today's caste system does not contain just the original four divisions but hundreds and thousands of castes and sub castes. The many foreign invasions and contact with new races and new tribes must have prompted the priestly class to change the laws here and there and admit new people into the system in various guises. The bactrian greeks, the barbarious huns, the sakas, the kushanas, and many others who came to India either as traders or as rulers, were somehow integrated into the system so smoothly that today we do not know into which castes these races merged finally.
Whatever be the truth, while the caste system helped the society to stabilize itself in the early stages, it considerably weakened the society by undermining its unity. Since the system was so unfair to the vast majority of the lower castes who had no privileges but only duties, it alienated them deeply from the rest of the society and made them apathetic and indifferent to the events of their times.
With no scope for their social advancement or economic independence, ever under bondage, and suffering from various kinds of social disabilities, they became the third or the fourth class citizens of hindu society, without any dignity of their own and with a status comparable to that of animals, as they were the 'once born' in contrast to the 'twice born'.
Therefore, for these unfortunate souls, it mattered little who came and who went, who won and who lost, who ruled them and who did not.
As long as they were obedient to the state laws and paid their taxes or did their duties sincerely, it mattered little who sat on the throne and what virtues or vices, or for that matter what religion, the king practiced or advocated. The kings were hardly benevolent or tolerant. Failure to pay taxes, when the state demanded, perhaps with a few exceptions here and there, meant instant death.
Reduced to penury and the lowest social status, oppressed by the political system in which they had no chance of participation, condemned by the religion which eluded them, they worshipped whatever their limited wisdom suggested, from the rivers to the trees, from the earth to the sky, from various spirits, ghosts and demons to the various village deities.
It is difficult to believe that Buddhism gave them any relief, since it was not a religion for the weak minded. It demanded inner purity and observation of the eightfold path which was difficult to practice even by the privileged sections.
The rulers in turn paid little attention to them. Perhaps in matters of state priorities they did not matter at all. Their welfare must have never bothered the rulers. In theory these people were already condemned by the inexorable laws of karma to lead miserable lives and suffer from the consequences of their previous bad actions.
Then how could and even why should a mortal king try to improve their lot? Preoccupied with their own problems of governance and survival, and perhaps palace intrigues and court politics, the rulers seldom ventured out into the rural areas to interact with these less privileged groups.
Though theoretically, the king was supposed to be concerned with the welfare of his subjects, with a few exceptions here and there, it is hard to believe that the kings of ancient India would have ever bothered to consider the lower castes of his kingdom as his important subjects.
What is strange is that many ancient rulers of India were neither Brahmins nor kshatriyas but came from lower castes. So was the case with many seers and saints. For example most of the rulers of the Magadh came from lower castes. But unfortunately none of them seemed to have worked for the upliftment of the lower castes. Having became converted to Buddhism, the Mauryan emperor Asoka, must have encouraged many to follow him. But we do not have any evidence to suggest that he was especially sympathetic to the cause of the lower castes or that he worked for their specific welfare.
Instances of oppression and cruelty against the downtrodden was also not entirely unknown. In times of war, the villages through which the army passed had to provide food, cattle and provisions to the marching army. This must have put considerable strain on their meager resources. The villagers were never trained in the art of warfare nor in the art of self-defense. So if the army lost the battle the masses had no option but to surrender meekly to the new ruler and pay their taxes.
It is true that it is difficult to generalize Hindu society on any particular issue since it consisted of diverse groups and communities even in ancient times. But we can confidently consider the caste system as the bane of Hindu society from the earliest times. It divided and weakened the society, alienated the people and exposed them to foreign invasions on a scale unprecedented in the history of the world.
In south India the position was slightly different. Here the caste system did not divide the society as sharply as it did in north India, which is one reason why the south remained relatively free from foreign invasions as well as invasions from the native rulers of the north. King Asoka barely managed south. Samudra Gupta led a successful expedition to the south and defeated some local rulers there, but did not achieve much beyond that. Harshavardhana was defeated and stopped by Pulakesin II on the banks of river Narmada.
In contrast to the rulers of the north who never tried to cross the frontiers and conquer the far away lands, the south Indian rulers were able to navigate across the oceans with the help of fishermen and sea farers, and establish new kingdoms in far away lands like Cambodia and Thailand.
The trend continued even during the Muslim or the Mughal rule. The south remained largely free from the Muslim rule. The Muslims did invade the southern provinces, except in a very limited way. Most of the famous temples of south India we know today escaped destruction in their hands. In strange contrast, some new temples were even built during their rule like the Sri Ram temple on the banks of river Godavari at Bhadrachalam in Andhrapradesh.
Must not Hindus learn something out of this experience of their past? If Hinduism has to survive as a major world religion and if Hindus want to stand out as exemplary beings on the global scene, the caste system must go. It must vanish in its present abominal form, with all its monstrous roots and manifestations.
The caste system is an evil, that has no divine sanction whatsoever. It is full of demonic vitality and diabolic intent and it is there only to create discard and destruction. The bane of Indian society for so long, it will continue to remain so unless it is uprooted and thrown out, with the strength of Bhima, without any apology, without rationalizing its justification in the past, and without exploiting it for ones political or economic gains.
The caste system must yield place to a new society that is based upon the principles of equality and fraternity, where the status of an individual is determined not on the basis of his caste, but on the basis of his achievements and his character. The Hindus must learn to treat each individual with dignity and self respect and learn from their Christian and Muslim friends a few things about charity and brotherhood.
It is not a curse to be born in poor circumstances or come from a not so distinguished family. Hinduism teaches that before a soul begins its new birth, it willingly and carefully selects the family and the environment in which it wants to take its new birth. If we accept this as true and if we understand the significance of why a soul wants to be born in a poor family, we will never look down upon any one as a low or inferior person. We will realize that hidden in that person is a soul that is trying to break free by creating the necessary circumstances that would enable it to achieve it.
If Hindus do not shed the caste system in its present form, they cannot blame others for the disunity and disharmony of their society and for the increasing popularity of other faiths among the less privileged castes. They cannot blame foreign hands, charitable institutions and Christian missionaries, for the alienation of these people. Every Hindu ought to remember that if there is one force that can destroy Hindu society either in part or in full or reduce them to a simple minority in their own country, it is neither nuclear weapons nor the foreign hands, but the stench of casteism.
Sunday, October 18, 2009
Mr Prime Minister
To the Honourable Prime Minister of 1Malaysia.
Sir,
First, allow me to thank you for your well-wishes.
I don't know if I speak for the others, but there are a few things I would like you to explain - since it was you who created this 1Malaysia.
Sir, explain what 1Malaysia means - before a lot of us misconstrue your meaning and give our interpretation to others.
Interpretations of the Koran is as diverse as our cultures and traditions so let us have just one interpretation of 1Malaysia.
I really do not know and am in the lurch as to what exactly 1Malaysia stands for.
To state feelgood words like Perseverance, Culture, Excellence, Loyalty, Humility, Meritocracy, Integrity, Education and Acceptance is pleasant to read but they are merely words. When they give meaning in the context of a peaceful Malaysia then they are words of wisdom.
I could add many more words - two very important ones being Respect and Compassion, for your mother, father, for the country and for all.
To look at it from a positive perspective - it means - all races, Malays, Indians, Chinese, Kadazans, Ibans - and all the different races - are now Malaysians. Am I right?
One big step was the abolition of the quota system. Then I read and heared it on TV - for all Malaysians to see - that word ... 'bumiputra'. And later I read that it was a different quota system that was discussed. How naive of me.
1Malaysia has no place for 'bumiputra'. That goes against the very essence of 1Malaysia - as I perceive it to be.
Who are these 'bumiputras'?
Can you please go on the air - on TV preferably, and clear the confusion?
I give credit where it is due. I see you as a good leader but I also see a possibilty of a good leader just shouting slogans of 'we are all one' but not doing much about it.
We need mutual respect and mutual respect can only surface with ALL races being equal.
No 'ketuanan' attached to any race, eradication of corruption, no terrorists or harbouring any of them, wiping out poverty, and above all, no race and religion stated in our Identity Cards. All that should be stated is ... Malaysian.
Freedom of worship, no imposing the ISA on any Malaysian or the OSA, No NEP only give us what belongs to us - Freedom of speech, Freedom of a peaceful demonstration ( which will never occur if it is indeed 1Malaysia ), Freedom of thought and expression - Freedom of the Press, Seperation of Powers, Justice for all and other attributes relating to a 1Malaysia.
The ISA should be used only on criminals. The communists have gone but now we have the infiltration of unwanted racists with ethnic cleansing stamped on their foreheads and has been ingrained in their perverted minds.
I see a few positive changes - even on TV - now more of 1Malaysia is being used - salam satu Malaysia ... nice to hear it. But is that the end of 1Malaysia? Does 1Malaysia end there - just talk?
I feel one of the first things you should do is to outlaw BN's component parties - UMNO, MCA and MIC. Here lies the root cause of all problems.
Just weeks after you launched the concept of 1Malaysia came a whole lot of uncouth people - blatantly flouting the 1Malaysia concept - and these people are from the grassroots to MIC, MCA and UMNO.
Either these people do not respect your 1Malaysia or they know something I don't.
Mr Prime Minister, Let us think of our children and generations to come - that this land is for all Malaysians. I had a glimpse of it in the 50s. My friends were from different ethnic backgrounds. We never once thought of the other as Malay, Indian or Chinese.
We ate together, played together - fought amongst each other without making it a racial issue - there was never a thought of a racial issue when we quarreled or fought. There was no Malay who mentioned that he was the master and he belonged to the Master race. We did not even know what that meant. There were no derogatory racial remarks hurled at each other.
The 60s too saw racial unity - but then it was the beginning of 'Islamization' or should I say 'Arabisation', the ketuanan Melayu and claims of Malays being the 'indigenous' people and the other races being migrants - the Landlords and the Tenants.
Lately, a few days ago, I heard that word again ... the indigenous' people, referring to the Malays! There goes 1Malaysia, I thought.
Sir, surely you must know that Malays, Chinese and Indians are ALL migrants. We know who the indigenous people are - not the Malays, Chinese or the Indians.
So Mr Prime Minister, please educate me on what 1Malaysia really is - what does it actually mean.
I am trying so hard to hang on to my optimistic interpretation that I am a Malaysian first and then my race. I pray to God Almighty that I am right.
If I am, then I salute you as being the very first Prime Minister of this country who tried to unite all races - you will have made history - you will be remembered as just that and respected the world over. Will you be the one? Or perhaps we have yet to wait for that elusive leader who will represent Malaysians?
You have a daunting task ahead of you as I believe that certain quarters ( who are even around you ) do not want this 1Malaysia concept. Being the man at the helm, please get rid of these cretinous cockroaches.
No more hegemony, discrimination, racial and religious bigotry - I believe all of us - and I dare say, even my Malay ( Malaysian ) friends - had enough of this infighting and silly racial prejudice.
I saw and heard you say, 'maaf zahir dan batin', and I believe you sincerely meant it and begin a new era of uniting the multi-ethnic race of Malaysia.
Mr Prime Minister, if it is not you, then someday, there will be a leader in this country, who will release us all from the chains of oppression and free us from the shackles of servitude.
Let us all work together and live in peace and harmony.
TDM came up with the NEP and deluded the Malays into thinking they were being 'robbed' by the other races, thus creating confusion and animosity among the races - the beginning of a social and cultural milieu.
TAAB woke up one day and came up with Islam Hadhari - which confused the Malays even more.
Then you came up with 1Malaysia - which is driving all of us into an implicit state of confusion.
Is it a some kind of a trend that all PMs should come up with some kind of a dictum to please and give hope to the Rakyat?
Here is one that I believe will be true if this country is not ruled by a dauntless PM:
Things Fall Apart, the center cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
Inventing catchy phrases is one thing ... enforcing it is another.
I am, no matter what anyone says, still optimistic about the country's future. I still believe that someday, this country will indeed be Malaysia Truly Asia.
I write this with absolute respect for you as the leader of this beautiful country. It could be complete with all races being ... Malaysians. You Sir, can make this happen. A dream for all Malaysians.
P.S. After more than one hour, finally it said, my message is too long. So what can I write? Dear Mr Prime Minister, Happy Deepavali? Thank you for 1Malaysia without knowing what it is?
I need to write what I feel and what everyone wants to know.
I wish to have a direct answer from the PM ( not from his political secretary ) - as a citizen of Malaysia, what his newly created 1Malaysia means.
If he is a PM who cares, he must answer my question which is what everyone I meet is talking about - each one having his own theory and interpretation of 1Malaysia.
Some say, 1Malaysia is for one race - the master race aka ketuanan melayu.
I therefore, being injenuous, need a proper answer - a simple question requiring a simple answer.
A Malaysian Dream or a Nightmare?
God bless Malaysia.
Sir,
First, allow me to thank you for your well-wishes.
I don't know if I speak for the others, but there are a few things I would like you to explain - since it was you who created this 1Malaysia.
Sir, explain what 1Malaysia means - before a lot of us misconstrue your meaning and give our interpretation to others.
Interpretations of the Koran is as diverse as our cultures and traditions so let us have just one interpretation of 1Malaysia.
I really do not know and am in the lurch as to what exactly 1Malaysia stands for.
To state feelgood words like Perseverance, Culture, Excellence, Loyalty, Humility, Meritocracy, Integrity, Education and Acceptance is pleasant to read but they are merely words. When they give meaning in the context of a peaceful Malaysia then they are words of wisdom.
I could add many more words - two very important ones being Respect and Compassion, for your mother, father, for the country and for all.
To look at it from a positive perspective - it means - all races, Malays, Indians, Chinese, Kadazans, Ibans - and all the different races - are now Malaysians. Am I right?
One big step was the abolition of the quota system. Then I read and heared it on TV - for all Malaysians to see - that word ... 'bumiputra'. And later I read that it was a different quota system that was discussed. How naive of me.
1Malaysia has no place for 'bumiputra'. That goes against the very essence of 1Malaysia - as I perceive it to be.
Who are these 'bumiputras'?
Can you please go on the air - on TV preferably, and clear the confusion?
I give credit where it is due. I see you as a good leader but I also see a possibilty of a good leader just shouting slogans of 'we are all one' but not doing much about it.
We need mutual respect and mutual respect can only surface with ALL races being equal.
No 'ketuanan' attached to any race, eradication of corruption, no terrorists or harbouring any of them, wiping out poverty, and above all, no race and religion stated in our Identity Cards. All that should be stated is ... Malaysian.
Freedom of worship, no imposing the ISA on any Malaysian or the OSA, No NEP only give us what belongs to us - Freedom of speech, Freedom of a peaceful demonstration ( which will never occur if it is indeed 1Malaysia ), Freedom of thought and expression - Freedom of the Press, Seperation of Powers, Justice for all and other attributes relating to a 1Malaysia.
The ISA should be used only on criminals. The communists have gone but now we have the infiltration of unwanted racists with ethnic cleansing stamped on their foreheads and has been ingrained in their perverted minds.
I see a few positive changes - even on TV - now more of 1Malaysia is being used - salam satu Malaysia ... nice to hear it. But is that the end of 1Malaysia? Does 1Malaysia end there - just talk?
I feel one of the first things you should do is to outlaw BN's component parties - UMNO, MCA and MIC. Here lies the root cause of all problems.
Just weeks after you launched the concept of 1Malaysia came a whole lot of uncouth people - blatantly flouting the 1Malaysia concept - and these people are from the grassroots to MIC, MCA and UMNO.
Either these people do not respect your 1Malaysia or they know something I don't.
Mr Prime Minister, Let us think of our children and generations to come - that this land is for all Malaysians. I had a glimpse of it in the 50s. My friends were from different ethnic backgrounds. We never once thought of the other as Malay, Indian or Chinese.
We ate together, played together - fought amongst each other without making it a racial issue - there was never a thought of a racial issue when we quarreled or fought. There was no Malay who mentioned that he was the master and he belonged to the Master race. We did not even know what that meant. There were no derogatory racial remarks hurled at each other.
The 60s too saw racial unity - but then it was the beginning of 'Islamization' or should I say 'Arabisation', the ketuanan Melayu and claims of Malays being the 'indigenous' people and the other races being migrants - the Landlords and the Tenants.
Lately, a few days ago, I heard that word again ... the indigenous' people, referring to the Malays! There goes 1Malaysia, I thought.
Sir, surely you must know that Malays, Chinese and Indians are ALL migrants. We know who the indigenous people are - not the Malays, Chinese or the Indians.
So Mr Prime Minister, please educate me on what 1Malaysia really is - what does it actually mean.
I am trying so hard to hang on to my optimistic interpretation that I am a Malaysian first and then my race. I pray to God Almighty that I am right.
If I am, then I salute you as being the very first Prime Minister of this country who tried to unite all races - you will have made history - you will be remembered as just that and respected the world over. Will you be the one? Or perhaps we have yet to wait for that elusive leader who will represent Malaysians?
You have a daunting task ahead of you as I believe that certain quarters ( who are even around you ) do not want this 1Malaysia concept. Being the man at the helm, please get rid of these cretinous cockroaches.
No more hegemony, discrimination, racial and religious bigotry - I believe all of us - and I dare say, even my Malay ( Malaysian ) friends - had enough of this infighting and silly racial prejudice.
I saw and heard you say, 'maaf zahir dan batin', and I believe you sincerely meant it and begin a new era of uniting the multi-ethnic race of Malaysia.
Mr Prime Minister, if it is not you, then someday, there will be a leader in this country, who will release us all from the chains of oppression and free us from the shackles of servitude.
Let us all work together and live in peace and harmony.
TDM came up with the NEP and deluded the Malays into thinking they were being 'robbed' by the other races, thus creating confusion and animosity among the races - the beginning of a social and cultural milieu.
TAAB woke up one day and came up with Islam Hadhari - which confused the Malays even more.
Then you came up with 1Malaysia - which is driving all of us into an implicit state of confusion.
Is it a some kind of a trend that all PMs should come up with some kind of a dictum to please and give hope to the Rakyat?
Here is one that I believe will be true if this country is not ruled by a dauntless PM:
Things Fall Apart, the center cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
Inventing catchy phrases is one thing ... enforcing it is another.
I am, no matter what anyone says, still optimistic about the country's future. I still believe that someday, this country will indeed be Malaysia Truly Asia.
I write this with absolute respect for you as the leader of this beautiful country. It could be complete with all races being ... Malaysians. You Sir, can make this happen. A dream for all Malaysians.
P.S. After more than one hour, finally it said, my message is too long. So what can I write? Dear Mr Prime Minister, Happy Deepavali? Thank you for 1Malaysia without knowing what it is?
I need to write what I feel and what everyone wants to know.
I wish to have a direct answer from the PM ( not from his political secretary ) - as a citizen of Malaysia, what his newly created 1Malaysia means.
If he is a PM who cares, he must answer my question which is what everyone I meet is talking about - each one having his own theory and interpretation of 1Malaysia.
Some say, 1Malaysia is for one race - the master race aka ketuanan melayu.
I therefore, being injenuous, need a proper answer - a simple question requiring a simple answer.
A Malaysian Dream or a Nightmare?
God bless Malaysia.
Thursday, October 1, 2009
PAS should be told that the Islamic State is a fallacy and does not exist
"To his list, I would add “Islamic state”, because, contrary to popular Muslim opinion, there is not a shred of theological, historical or empirical evidence to support the existence of such an entity". NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
'There's nothing Islamic about a state'
Mehdi Hasan
New Statesman, 2 April 200
Mehdi Hasan explains why there could never be a true Islamic state
Like my fellow Muslims, I strenuously object to the lazy conjugation of the words Islamic and terrorism, for the rather obvious reason that there is nothing Islamic about the murder of innocent civilians. Unlike so many of them, however, I also take issue with the term “Islamic state”, and for the very same reason: there is nothing Islamic about a state. The two concepts have nothing in common.
Let’s take the word Islamic. The casual and careless application of this adjective to religious and cultural phenomena alike has blurred the all-important distinction between Islam, the divinely revealed, perfect and infallible faith, and Muslims, the rather flawed, imperfect and very human practitioners of that faith.
As the historian Marshall Hodgson pointed out: “One can speak of ‘Islamic literature’, of ‘Islamic architecture’, of ‘Islamic philosophy’, even of ‘Islamic despotism’, but in such a sequence one is speaking less and less of something that expresses Islam as a faith.”
To his list, I would add “Islamic state”, because, contrary to popular Muslim opinion, there is not a shred of theological, historical or empirical evidence to support the existence of such an entity. Its supporters tend to mumble vaguely about this or that verse from the Quran, or make vacuous references to the life example of the Prophet Muhammad.
But the Quran prescribes no particular model of government, nor does it detail a specific political programme that Muslims must adopt. In fact, the concept of the state appears nowhere in the Quran.
And why would it? In his new book, Islam and the Secular State: Negotiating the Future of Sharia, the Sudanese-born academic Professor Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na’im points out: “You will not find any reference to an Islamic state or to state enforcement of sharia before the mid-20th century – it’s a post-colonial discourse based on a European-style state.”
Many Muslims fall back on a romanticised view of the very first community of believers in 7th-century Medina, ruled by the Prophet himself, and cite it admiringly as their precedent for an Islamic state, but this approach is flawed. First, any historical precedent that revolves around the presence of a divinely guided prophet-as-political-leader seems wholly irrelevant, in an era in which we have no divinely guided prophet to lead us.
Second, the Medina “state” should be seen as a purely political and pragmatic, rather than Islamic or religious, construct. The celebrated pact that the Prophet signed with the various tribes of Medina involved the non-Muslims of the city – chief among them the Jews, who were granted formal equality with the Muslims – recognising only his political and temporal, rather than his religious or spiritual, authority. As the historian Bernard Lewis puts it: “Muhammad became a statesman in order to accomplish his mission as a prophet, not vice versa.”
Third, Medina lacked fixed borders, a standing army, a police force, permanent civil servants, government ministries, foreign ambassadors and a public treasury. To pretend that it can serve as a practical model for the large, complex, post-industrial societies of the 21st century is fanciful.
Today it is difficult, if not impossible, to identify a Muslim-majority nation that could plausibly be identified as a modern, viable and legitimate “Islamic state”. Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran both loudly proclaim themselves to be such, but to each other they are heresies; they are also dictatorial regimes with terrible human-rights records. How about the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, blighted by military rule for much of its history? Or Sudan, accused of committing crimes against humanity among its own Muslim population in Darfur?
Not surprisingly, Professor An-Na’im concludes that “the Islamic state is a historical misconception, a logical fallacy and a practical impossibility”.
Mehdi Hasan is the New Statesman’s Senior Editor (politics) and the news and current affairs editor at Channel 4
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The Falsity of the Concept of the Islamic State
by Abdassamad Clarke
There is no word in the Qur'an or in the hadith literature for 'state'. The Arabic word that is commonly used - 'dawlah' - does not occur in the Qur'an. [The word doulah does occur in the Qur'an. The best exegesis of both dawlah and doulah is in Sultaniyya by Shaykh Dr Abdalqadir as-Sufi.]
Nevertheless, later Muslims used the term, the Ottomans among others. The Ottomans were known as the Osmanli Dawlah and not the Ottoman Empire even though a word for Empire exists both in Arabic and Osmanlica. However, the Ottomans chose the term dawlah specifically in order not to use the term Empire.
The term 'state' begins to take its present day signification in the seventeenth century in Europe, some dating it from the Treaty of Westphalia. Its most essential feature in the modern world is that of a governing entity that legislates, i.e. creates laws, and most usually in our contemporary situation through some form of process of representative democracy.
For the Ottomans, dawlah encompassed the khalifah and his appointees whose job it is to bring the shari'ah into being, but not to create legislation.
The concept of the Islamic state first came about in the modern world by means of the Islamic modernists, so let us first examine the issue of Islamic modernism or modernist Islam. It has various roots, but in essence it stems from a misunderstanding of Western dominance over the lands of Islam, which itself issues from a complete misreading of western history and the nature of Western society. The modernists assume that it was the features of Western society that were unusual to it and different from Islamic modes that gave Westerners dominance over the lands of Islam, and that therefore it is sufficient merely to imitate the West in those unusual features for there to be a resurgence of political power in the lands of Islam.
This is why, we object seriously to the use of the term 'Islamic State', just as we object, if possibly even more strenuously, to terms such as 'Islamic economics' and 'Islamic banks'. All of these concepts are based on the idea that we can Islamicise things which are fundamentally alien to Islam, and Allah knows best.
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The above is an extract. The full article can be read here: http://www.bogvaerker.dk/state.html
Awfully Educated
A funny but enlightening thing happened today. Strange as it may seem, I was having what I thought will be an educated discussion with a graduate teacher.
But I was puzzled after my 'discussion' with her and thought "what is the meaning of 'education'? "
We were talking about the Kartika case. And this teacher, a seemingly liberal thinking adult holds tightly to the fact that Kartika indeed must be caned. Her reason was simple ... to deter other Muslims from drinking beer. That was it, nothing else.
So I tried to act curious and asked if that warranted a caning ( six times ) and she said in a definitive way: "yes!"
I was rather shocked. But acted otherwise.
I asked her if that caning will indeed stop others from refraining from consuming beer. To which she replied, "well, we have to start somewhere and this is as good a time to start it (caning). As if that was not shocking enough, she went on talking about and believes in 'hudud' laws....you know, chopping off the hands, stoning, the lot.
She was extremely fuming and condemning the Human Rights Commission for "interfering" in the Kartika's case. According to her, The Human Rights Commission has no right to interfere in the judgement already passed on Kartika by the Syariah court.
At that point, I wondered ( but did not ask her ) what if Kartika was her daughter? Would she have condoned the caning or lashed out at it? Perhaps she would have stood her ground. I will never know that.
But what I know is, these women, pass their time talking cock - about husbands and wives and the usual gossip, sometimes passing subtle sexual innuendos ... sometimes even blatantly ( Islamic? ), but when it came to Islam - as they perceive Islam to be - Kartika deserves to be caned and perhaps even canned - and don't you dare refute!
It's amazing how an educated person who mixes with other races freely, and members of the opposite sex of other races and jokes with them, passes 'mildly naughty' remarks can, under the guise of being seeming liberal, is full of bottled up anger and frustration and unleashes it with venom.
I tried hinting that it was draconian and that the Human Rights Commission was doing the right thing but she would not accept it.
Now, this is a rather sensitive issue so I did not pursue it any further. I wanted to know how an educated person thought about caning a Muslim for drinking beer and that triggered off her innermost feelings and thus surfaced the 'wahabbi' in her. She is not the only educated person who has her interpretation of Islam. Islam as they perceive it to be.
Monday, September 28, 2009
MALAYSIANS
To all Malaysians.
There comes a time, when we heed a certain call - but are we heeding that call?
Let us be united as one nation one race - Malaysian.
MALAYSIANS
Now, this is a photo of me with my Malaysian ( Malay, Chinese and Indian ) friends.
I am standing next to a Muslim - my best friend and still in touch with him. We were and still are, like brothers. Remember, this was taken in 1968 - 41 years ago and Farouk, my best friend and I still keep in touch. He is now in Penang. When he comes to KL, he comes to my place. It is always good to see him and we talk about the good times we shared. Both of us are not in any way affected by acts of recent racist and religious bigotry.
His was at that time dating a Chinese girl, who is in the photo. There was no thinking of having to convert - their love overcame all racial boundaries.
Each time I read about race and religion today, I often look at this photo and take solace in the fact that there still ARE some sane people in this country who will not permit anyone or any regime to influence them and their perspective on the fact that we are ALL Malaysians.
In class, we mingled freely. Race and religion had no place - it could not creep in and divide us. We respected one another and we were FRIENDS. And like all good friends, we ate together and played together.
It seems like we have to look into the past to look towards a better future.
Actually, we never heard of 'halal' and 'haram' which is now imprinted on the minds of a lot of people. The Muslims adhered to their religion and the others to theirs. We were still together.
A few years ago, Farouk's mother was hospitalised and I went to see her and she still remembered me and was happy to see me.
My late mother liked Farouk a lot - her petname for him was 'king' - his name being Farouk Sultan.
That reminds me of Deepavali - all my friends came to the house - my Malaysian friends - and had a feast. We ate, drank, talked and laughed. When it was Hari Raya and Chinese New Year - we were all there together - eating, drinking, talking and laughing.
That was the true spirit of inter-mingling. A nostalgic era of a melting pot of Malaysians.
Tuesday, September 22, 2009
Saira Banu- Dilip Kumar celebrate Eid
Saira Banu and Dilip Kumar are busy wishing friends and family 'Eid Mubarak' today. "It’s always great to share your special days with people who are close to you. Not just friends and family but we also have fans dropping in. Mubarak baad dene ke liye aate hain (Fans come over to wish us on the occasion of Eid) and Dilip Sahab chats with them," revealed Saira.
"I thank and pray to god. I have nothing to ask as god has already gifted me Yusuf Khan and sahab has given himself to me wholeheartedly," she added.
Talking about the celebrations, Saira revealed, "Chicken Biryani, Mutton Biryani and Sevaiyan are must-have food delicacies in our house during Eid. Our friends like Farida Jalal, Nanda and even Dharamji (Dharmendra) often come over to celebrate this festival with us."
Saira concluded, "I wish all my fans Eid Mubarak and let peace and happiness prevail on the occasion of this auspicious festival."
Salman, Govinda celebrate Ganesh immersion
MUMBAI: Bollywood actors Salman Khan and Govinda on Monday joined several Mumbaikars in biding emotional adieu to Lord Ganesh on first day of `visarjan' (immersion).
Salman Khan and his mother perform pooja during Ganesh Chaturthi at their residence. (TOI Photo)
Among the prominent personalities who visited Salman's residence at suburban Bandra for the Ganesh puja ahead of immersion were MNS chief Raj Thackeray, cricketer Yuvraj Singh and actress Katrina Kaif.
Thousands of Ganpati idols, mostly household ones, were immersed at beaches and lakes like Girgaum Chowpatty, Juhu, Marve, Gorai and Dadar admist chants of `Ganpati Bappa Morya, Pudchya Varshi Lavkar Ya' (a popular slogan hailing the elephant-headed God and urging him to come early next year).
Nearly 40,000 civic employees and 500 life guards have been deployed across mandals and beaches for smooth conduct of processions and immersion.
Nearly 44 motorboats and 12 fire brigade boats with necessary equipment have been stationed at major immersion sites across the metropolis.
The annual Ganeshotsav celebrations, that began yesterday, did not dampen the spirits of Mumbaikars as they welcomed their beloved deity despite swine flu scare and terror alerts in the metropolis.
Braving rains, devotees formed a beeline to offer prayers at the Ganesh idol set up by one of the richest and famous mandals, 'Lalbaugcha Raja' in Parel.
Among the prominent personalities who visited Salman's residence at suburban Bandra for the Ganesh puja ahead of immersion were MNS chief Raj Thackeray, cricketer Yuvraj Singh and actress Katrina Kaif.
Thousands of Ganpati idols, mostly household ones, were immersed at beaches and lakes like Girgaum Chowpatty, Juhu, Marve, Gorai and Dadar admist chants of `Ganpati Bappa Morya, Pudchya Varshi Lavkar Ya' (a popular slogan hailing the elephant-headed God and urging him to come early next year).
Nearly 40,000 civic employees and 500 life guards have been deployed across mandals and beaches for smooth conduct of processions and immersion.
Nearly 44 motorboats and 12 fire brigade boats with necessary equipment have been stationed at major immersion sites across the metropolis.
The annual Ganeshotsav celebrations, that began yesterday, did not dampen the spirits of Mumbaikars as they welcomed their beloved deity despite swine flu scare and terror alerts in the metropolis.
Braving rains, devotees formed a beeline to offer prayers at the Ganesh idol set up by one of the richest and famous mandals, 'Lalbaugcha Raja' in Parel.
Sunday, September 20, 2009
Dear Mr Prime Minister
To the Honourable Prime Minister of 1Malaysia.
Sir,
I don't know if I speak for the others, but there are a few things I would like you to explain - since it was you who created this 1Malaysia.
Please explain what 1Malaysia means - before a lot of us misconstrue your meaning and give our interpretation to others.
I really do not know and am in the lurch as to what exactly 1Malaysia stands for.
To think on a positive perspective - it means - all races, Malays, Indians, Chinese, Kadazans, Ibans - and all the different races - are now Malaysians. Am I right?
One big step was the abolition of the quota system. Then I read and heared it on TV - for all Malaysians to see - that word ... 'bumiputra'.
1Malaysia has no place for 'bumiputra'. That goes against the very essence of 1Malaysia - as I perceive it to be.
Who are these 'bumiputras'?
Can you please go on the air - on TV preferably, and clear the confusion?
I give credit where it is due. I see you as a good leader but I also see a possibilty of a good leader just shouting slogans of 'we are all one' but not doing much about it.
We need mutual respect and mutual respect can only surface with ALL races being equal.
No 'ketuanan' attached to any race, eradication of corruption, no terrorists or harbouring any of them, wiping out poverty, and above all, no race and religion stated in our Identity Cards. All that should be stated is ... Malaysian.
Freedom of worship, no using the ISA on any Malaysian or the OSA, No NEP, Freedom of speech, Freedom of a peaceful demonstration ( which will never occur if it is indeed 1Malaysia ), Freedom of thought and expression - Freedom of the Press, Seperation of Powers, Justice for all and other attributes relating to a 1Malaysia.
The ISA should be used only on criminals. The communists have gone but now we have the infiltration of unwanted racists with ethnic cleansing on their perverted minds.
I see a few positive changes - even on TV - now more of 1Malaysia is being used - salam satu Malaysia ... nice to hear it. But is that the end of 1Malaysia? Does 1Malaysia end there - just talk?
I feel one of the first things you should do is to get rid of BN's component parties - UMNO, MCA and MIC. Here lies the root cause of all problems.
Just weeks after you launched the concept of 1Malaysia came a whole lot of uncouth people - blatantly flouting the 1Malaysia concept - and these people are from the grassroots to MIC, MCA and UMNO.
Either these people do not respect your 1Malaysia or they know something I don't.
Please Mr Prime Minister, Let us think of our children and generations to come - that this land is for all Malaysians. I had a glimpse of it in the 50s. My friends were from different ethnic backgrounds. We never once thought of the other as Malay, Indian or Chinese.
We ate together, played together - fought among each other without making it a racial issue - there was never a thought of a racial issue when we quarreled or fought. There was no Malay who mentioned that he was the master and he belonged to the Master race. We did not even know what that meant. There were no derogatory racial remarks hurled at each other.
The 60s too saw racial unity - but then it was the beginning of 'Islamization' or should I say 'Arabisation', the ketuanan Melayu and claims of Malays being the 'indigenous' people and the other races being migrants - the Landlords vs the Tenants.
Lately, a few days ago, I heard that word again ... the indigenous' people, meaning the Malays. There goes 1Malaysia, I thought.
Sir, surely you must know that Malays, Chinese and Indians are ALL migrants. The Orang Asli is the native of this land.
So please Mr Prime Minister, please educate me on what 1Malaysia really is - what does it really mean.
I am trying so hard to hang on to my interpretation that I am a Malaysian first and then my race. I pray to God Almighty that I am right.
If I am, then I salute you as being the very first Prime Minister of this country who tried to unite all races - you will have made history - you will be remembered as just that and respected the world over.
You have a daunting task ahead of you as I believe that certain quarters ( who are even around you ) do not want this 1Malaysia concept. Being the man at the helm, please get rid of these cretinous cockroaches.
No more hegemony, discrimination, racial and religious bigotry - I believe all of us - and I dare say, even my Malay ( Malaysian ) friends - had enough of this infighting and silly racial prejudice.
I saw and heard you say, 'maaf zahir dan batin', and I hope you sincerely meant it and begin a new era of uniting the multi-ethnic race of Malaysia.
Mr Prime Minister, if it is not you, then someday, there will be a leader in this country, who will release us all from the chains of oppression and free us from the shackles of servitude.
Let us all work together and live in peace and harmony.
P.S. TDM came up with the NEP and deluded the Malays into thinking they were being 'robbed' by the other races, thus creating confusion and animosity among the races. The beginning of a social and cultural milieu.
TAAB woke up one day and came up with Islam Hadhari - which confused the Malays even more.
Then you came up with 1Malaysia - which is driving all of us into an implicit state of confusion.
Is it a some kind of a trend that all PMs should come up with some kind of a dictum to please and give hope to the Rakyat?
Here is one that I believe will be true if this country is not ruled by a dauntless PM:
Things Fall Apart, the center never holds. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
Inventing catchy phrases is one thing ... enforcing it is another.
I am, no matter what anyone says, still optimistic about the country's future. I still believe that someday, this country will indeed be Malaysia Truly Asia.
Friday, September 18, 2009
Malaysian court orders Muslim lovers caned for sex
Associated Press
2009-09-18 12:23 PM
An Islamic court has ordered an unmarried couple to be caned for trying to have sex in a car in the latest of a series of harsh punishments for Muslims in Malaysia, a lawyer said Friday.
Though Malaysia has long been upheld as an example of a moderate Muslim-majority country, recent verdicts sentencing Muslims to whipping for drinking alcohol have made headlines.
Two months ago, an Islamic judge triggered a national debate when he ordered a woman to be caned for drinking beer.
In the latest case, the Shariah High Court in central Selangor state sentenced the couple Wednesday to six strokes of the cane after they pleaded guilty to trying to have sex out of wedlock in their car, said prosecutor Shafezan Rusli.
Shafezan said Islamic religious police caught Mohamad Shahrin Abdul Majid, 29, and Nadiah Najat Hussin, 24, with only their undergarments on in a car at an office parking lot in May.
He said they are appealing the caning as they plan to get married soon, though they have paid the court-ordered fine of 5,000 ringgit ($1,400) each.
They could have been jailed for up to three years for the offense, the lawyer said.
Shariah laws apply to Muslims, who make up about 60 percent of the 28 million population, in all personal matters. Non-Muslims _ Chinese, Indians and other minorities _ are not subject to the laws.
Earlier this week, an Islamic court in another state ordered an Indonesian Muslim man to be whipped six times and jailed a year for drinking liquor at a restaurant.
In July, the same court had sentenced a Malaysian woman to six strokes of the cane and a fine for drinking beer in public. The caning, which would be the first time a Malaysian woman has received the punishment, has not been carried out yet.
Many see the sentence as a setback for the country's reputation as a moderate Muslim nation.
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Comment:
Looks like caning has become trendy - a way of life for some in this country. A past-time for some 'holy' men.
Since when did many see this country as a moderate Muslim nation? In the 50s perhaps.
Then lately the PM came with this 1Malaysia - never did like the sound of it but I gave it the benefit of the doubt. Good things to come. I waited. Then I saw the canings and the cow-head and the slipper incidents and UMNO/MCA/MIC's inaction.
Mr PM, there is no point yelling on TV to convince the Rakyat about your 1Malaysia .... I would like to see what exactly 1Malaysia means.
The Rakyat is still waiting.
2009-09-18 12:23 PM
An Islamic court has ordered an unmarried couple to be caned for trying to have sex in a car in the latest of a series of harsh punishments for Muslims in Malaysia, a lawyer said Friday.
Though Malaysia has long been upheld as an example of a moderate Muslim-majority country, recent verdicts sentencing Muslims to whipping for drinking alcohol have made headlines.
Two months ago, an Islamic judge triggered a national debate when he ordered a woman to be caned for drinking beer.
In the latest case, the Shariah High Court in central Selangor state sentenced the couple Wednesday to six strokes of the cane after they pleaded guilty to trying to have sex out of wedlock in their car, said prosecutor Shafezan Rusli.
Shafezan said Islamic religious police caught Mohamad Shahrin Abdul Majid, 29, and Nadiah Najat Hussin, 24, with only their undergarments on in a car at an office parking lot in May.
He said they are appealing the caning as they plan to get married soon, though they have paid the court-ordered fine of 5,000 ringgit ($1,400) each.
They could have been jailed for up to three years for the offense, the lawyer said.
Shariah laws apply to Muslims, who make up about 60 percent of the 28 million population, in all personal matters. Non-Muslims _ Chinese, Indians and other minorities _ are not subject to the laws.
Earlier this week, an Islamic court in another state ordered an Indonesian Muslim man to be whipped six times and jailed a year for drinking liquor at a restaurant.
In July, the same court had sentenced a Malaysian woman to six strokes of the cane and a fine for drinking beer in public. The caning, which would be the first time a Malaysian woman has received the punishment, has not been carried out yet.
Many see the sentence as a setback for the country's reputation as a moderate Muslim nation.
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Comment:
Looks like caning has become trendy - a way of life for some in this country. A past-time for some 'holy' men.
Since when did many see this country as a moderate Muslim nation? In the 50s perhaps.
Then lately the PM came with this 1Malaysia - never did like the sound of it but I gave it the benefit of the doubt. Good things to come. I waited. Then I saw the canings and the cow-head and the slipper incidents and UMNO/MCA/MIC's inaction.
Mr PM, there is no point yelling on TV to convince the Rakyat about your 1Malaysia .... I would like to see what exactly 1Malaysia means.
The Rakyat is still waiting.
Thursday, September 17, 2009
Malaysian waitress who served beer to model faces caning
Malaysian waitress who served beer to model faces caning
Malaysia Sun
Wednesday 16th September, 2009
(IANS)
Six cane strokes await the waitress who served beer to Malaysian part-time model Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno. The model was earlier sentenced for drinking in public by an Islamic court.
The waitress who has not been named was fined RM 5,000 ($ 1,429) and six strokes of cane.
These are the first two cases of women being sentenced to caning in Malaysia where Muslims are forbidden from drinking in public as per the Shariah law.
The waitress, who pleaded guilty, has appealed. A verdict is awaited, The Star said Wednesday.
Kartika, 32, a mother of two, stirred a controversy by insisting that she be caned in public in the presence of her family members and the media.
The case hit international headlines and human rights and women's bodies have appealed for doing away with this mode of punishment to a woman.
The Syriah High Court judge who has sentenced the two women, besides four men in the last five years, is unfazed by criticism and says he is merely performing his duty.
Judge Abdul Rahman Md Yunos makes no apologies for his rulings, the newspaper said Wednesday after speaking to him.
'I am merely carrying out my duties as a court official as well as to society,' he was qouted as saying.
Abdul Rahman, 53, has been a Kuantan Syariah High Court judge in Pahang state since 1996.
Prior to that he was the Chief Kadi, the religious preacher.
On Monday he sentenced an Indonesian worker to serve a year in jail and be whipped six times for drinking alcohol in a restaurant.
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Comment:
What on earth is going on? Now the waitress gets the cane. That's her job -to serve drinks and food to customers. The 'crime' and punishment for doing her duty is - caning!
So how about the others? The Malay waitresses serving beer, alcohol at 30,000 feet asl. Cane them.
The Malay girls serving/taking/holding beer bottles/cans in 7-11... cane them all too.
Not just 7-11 - at every mall and the counters of these malls.
So where do you expect them to work? They are working hard for a living for heaven's sake.
Some work as waitresses for a living and others are directors of PERNAS, Genting Highlands. All these places are synonymous to drinking and gambling. So where do you draw the line?
This is slipping back and falling into the wide waiting manacing arms of the vicious Talibans, Al Qaeda and the Jemaah Islamiyah whose ferocious fangs gleam with joy each time they make a kill. Preacherman, she too was carrying out her duty - as a waitress as well as to the society. She is not as fortunate as you though - sitting high on a bench and passing judgements.
Leave these girls alone - they are doing a job - if they do not do it, they get screwed by their bosses or the customer, if they do it, they get screwed by the 'religious' cops who have nothing else to do but to go around preying on innocent victims.
These religious policemen should be stationed at the right places - to nab the rempits since they are so adept at nabbing offenders. The police force is struggling to clampdown on rempits who are a public nuisance - nabbing these rempits who are a deadly threat to the public, would be protecting Malaysians.
Malaysia Sun
Wednesday 16th September, 2009
(IANS)
Six cane strokes await the waitress who served beer to Malaysian part-time model Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno. The model was earlier sentenced for drinking in public by an Islamic court.
The waitress who has not been named was fined RM 5,000 ($ 1,429) and six strokes of cane.
These are the first two cases of women being sentenced to caning in Malaysia where Muslims are forbidden from drinking in public as per the Shariah law.
The waitress, who pleaded guilty, has appealed. A verdict is awaited, The Star said Wednesday.
Kartika, 32, a mother of two, stirred a controversy by insisting that she be caned in public in the presence of her family members and the media.
The case hit international headlines and human rights and women's bodies have appealed for doing away with this mode of punishment to a woman.
The Syriah High Court judge who has sentenced the two women, besides four men in the last five years, is unfazed by criticism and says he is merely performing his duty.
Judge Abdul Rahman Md Yunos makes no apologies for his rulings, the newspaper said Wednesday after speaking to him.
'I am merely carrying out my duties as a court official as well as to society,' he was qouted as saying.
Abdul Rahman, 53, has been a Kuantan Syariah High Court judge in Pahang state since 1996.
Prior to that he was the Chief Kadi, the religious preacher.
On Monday he sentenced an Indonesian worker to serve a year in jail and be whipped six times for drinking alcohol in a restaurant.
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Comment:
What on earth is going on? Now the waitress gets the cane. That's her job -to serve drinks and food to customers. The 'crime' and punishment for doing her duty is - caning!
So how about the others? The Malay waitresses serving beer, alcohol at 30,000 feet asl. Cane them.
The Malay girls serving/taking/holding beer bottles/cans in 7-11... cane them all too.
Not just 7-11 - at every mall and the counters of these malls.
So where do you expect them to work? They are working hard for a living for heaven's sake.
Some work as waitresses for a living and others are directors of PERNAS, Genting Highlands. All these places are synonymous to drinking and gambling. So where do you draw the line?
This is slipping back and falling into the wide waiting manacing arms of the vicious Talibans, Al Qaeda and the Jemaah Islamiyah whose ferocious fangs gleam with joy each time they make a kill. Preacherman, she too was carrying out her duty - as a waitress as well as to the society. She is not as fortunate as you though - sitting high on a bench and passing judgements.
Leave these girls alone - they are doing a job - if they do not do it, they get screwed by their bosses or the customer, if they do it, they get screwed by the 'religious' cops who have nothing else to do but to go around preying on innocent victims.
These religious policemen should be stationed at the right places - to nab the rempits since they are so adept at nabbing offenders. The police force is struggling to clampdown on rempits who are a public nuisance - nabbing these rempits who are a deadly threat to the public, would be protecting Malaysians.
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